"kids" ....hardly.....these are 3 adults who are going to rot in a prison cell.

now erika everytime there is a shooting (you the self proclaimed 19% blame the tea party) now you have members of your group (pictures to prove it) trying to blow up a bridge for the may day celebration and you are trying to say no no no they are not part of our group

Tom,
Every group that has their segment of loons. The "occupy" groups do as to do the Teabaggers.
Going the Fox News/Sean Hannity/Bill O'Whiny route and trying to associate an ENTIRE group because of a few people is outright ridiculous. Not to mention, these members were not happy with the Occupy Cleveland movement already because the group was not getting behind what these nujtobs wanted to do.

You're looking ridiculous lumping an entire group in with a few people. It's no different than any other group.

Just like in New York and other cities they have littered, urinated, destroyed property and disturbed people walking along.

I totallllllly agree! They can't blame Occupy as a mass because of 5 idiots from brecksville.

Oh Nick, Trying to stir it up again I see. But of course I agree with you.

We always hope for the best in people and we all have things we can blame for our bad luck. Its about time each and every one of us takes responsibility for our actions and our communities we live in.

Now Brian as rick posted actually answers your question
How convenient that none of the people who actually act out on the violence preached at these movements are considered "representatives". If you advocate for the violation of individual rights and outright theft and destruction of society, you should not act surprised when people act on those views.

Tom, You only show your lack of common sense and intelligence. He doesn't show me any proof of anything, but rhetoric.

Brian: If these people are not representative, why did the Lakewood Patch have a story on them in October 2011, in which Hayne specifically said he was part of Occupy Cleveland and setting up a branch in Lakewood? He certainly must have gotten some amount of support, if not funding, from those running Occupy Cleveland, no? ("Occupy Cleveland Coming to Lakewood", 27 Oct 2011).

As far as specifically advocating violation of individual rights, they reference "social" and "environmental" justice, which can only mean demanding that the government forcibly intervene in the voluntary transactions of individuals. They also speak of equality - but not equality before the law, nor equality of opportunity to pursue one's own happiness. Their equality is one of income and outcome - if we simply forcibly redistribute everyone's wealth, and forcibly mandate who and how many one can employ, then regardless of the end result, "social justice" has been served.

They look at a widening gap between the highest and lowest incomes, and ignore the fact that the poorest in the US are wealthier than the rest of the world, and are far better off than they ever were before. They also ignore the fact that "classes" are a myth - if you look at specific individuals, they are rising up out of poverty, or falling out of wealth, and constantly in flux. Nobody is stuck in any "class". That's how the Occupiers would have it, though - a return to feudalism or a caste system.

Do you watch the destruction they cause in these cities?

Very intuitive and thought provoking.

@Chluk, Your a bigger moron, you never answered, only condemned.

now erika Peter Schanz A occupy clevelander said and I quote "Until we have a justice system that holds banks accountable -- Wall Street banks trashed the economy -- we want people to know that there is a movement, and that it is OK to fight back," Schanz said

march 5th 2012 Five members of Occupy Cleveland were arrested Monday after they protested property foreclosures by interrupting a sheriff's sale.

Brandon Baxter of Lakewood said he had no regrets for making sure people heard the message.

Tom, do yourself a favor and stop posting. You're argument and quotes make no sense. No where in that quote does it mention the use of violence or using bombs to blow up bridges. You're embarrassing yourself.

when a occupy clevelander says "we want people to know that there is a movement, and that it is OK to fight back" and one of those arrested today were with him what do you call that ....and yes please do "but now I remember why I keep to myself." you are I G N O R A N T and you are clearly a supporter of these people

I am not a supporter of them. Fighting back does not mean violence, it means taking a stance against something. No where does it say to become violent and use bombs or weapons to prove a point. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Yes, I am ignorant because I continue to repsond to you.

Brian you are very ignorant all those quotes everyone provided were anti-america hate speech by occupy Cleveland members while some of those who were arrested were present

I will agree that every group has its bad apples

Use your real name and stop hiding behind aliases. What kind of man are you? If you believe in anarchism and you should be proud, not ashamed or afraid of your opinions. Sincerely, PurplePeopleEater.

very well put (watch out brian might come back and call you stupid)

but yet one of your founding members of occupy cleveland sits in jail tonight

Have you seen the destruction these people who don't have anything better to do have done to these downtowns?

The Occupy Movement advocates for the government to forcibly intervene in the voluntary transactions and relationships of individuals, whether in the name of "social" or "environmental" justice, or egalitarianism. Their principles are anything but non-violent. As history clearly shows, when *practiced consistently*, these principles produce forced famines, firing squads, labor camps, and other rights violations. Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge are a prime example of egalitarianism consistently practiced.

The banks knowingly lent monies to people who they really knew were not fully qualified,therefore, they defaulted on their loans.

Banks lent money out to everyone because "those in government" (I'm not going to debate the politics of it, we all know who) decided they wanted everyone to be able to own a home, a ridiculous concept. You are right -some people just cannot afford it - and the banks should not have been placed in this position and then we would not have had the banking crisis and the eventual economic crisis that followed.

@Lyn, you really need to educate yourself about the financial meltdown, as it was the banks that pulled the strings for higher profits than they could ever imagine. And your a college grad, heaven help us all. Still paying for those student loans?

Steve, This is a perfect example of how most Americans just look at the end result of an event, rather than what happened to cause that event, in this case, the banking crisis, to occur. I didn't think I would have to give a history lesson, since it wasn't that long ago and everyone on here likes to talk about how smart they are and point out how stupid the next person is. But I will go ahead and give a brief history lesson now:
Under Clinton, the government weakened bank lending standards - Congress weakened Fannie and Freddie standards. In 1995, regulatory changes were made to the CRA (Community Reinvestment Act-1977) the start of trying to give everyone homeownership. In 1999, Bill Clinton expanded the CRA through the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, which applies CRA regulations to more banks by preventing them from expanding into mortgages or securities unless they comply with CRA rules (in other words, unless they make more subprime loans, as they did). Subprime - "A type of loan that is offered at a rate above prime to individuals who do not qualify for prime rate loans. Subprime borrowers are often turned away from traditional lenders because of their low credit rating or other factors that suggest that they have a reasonable chance of defaulting on the debt repayment."
Interest rates went down. The mess and corruption at Fannie and Freddie. interest rates increase. Lehman, etc. increase their leverage, which increased their risk.
(to be continued..)

In 2005, Alan Greenspan voices concerns over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.Twenty six Republican Senators plead in a letter "If effective regulatory reform legislation ... is not enacted this year, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system and the economy as a whole." No vote happened. In 2006, housing market peaks. In 2007, something is not looking good with the mortgage debt. In 2008, Bear Stearns Bailout, the government seizes insolvent Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and places them into conservatorship, and everything else people only remember - with TARP being passed under Bush.
I'm sure you will take issue with something I've summarized, but I tried.

Another ignorant blog spewing hate. Glad you find it funny.

Brian: "hatred" for what? I have plenty of hatred for those who beg for my rights to be violated, for the destruction of my values. There is nothing wrong with hating someone who attacks your loved ones. The Occupy Movement is an emotional reaction (of hatred) toward the productive for *being* productive. As these representatives of the Movement clearly demonstrate, they would rather tear society down than participate in a rational discussion.

The fbi/cia/police/vigilantes corrupt our laws and our institutions by phony sting operations that are designed to imprison/kill innocent people for show.Citizens are turned against one another and sometimes chaos results.

http://sosbeevfbi.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-fbicia-turn-civil-society

http://www.barbarahartwellvscia.blogspot.com/2012/03/cyber-stalker-goon-criminal-harassment.html

Does it matter? Lyn or Lynn? I don't look down on people, I do however, defend people or groups of lies and hate. To say the Occupy Cleveland group promotes violence without proof is ludacris and unintelligent.

Fact is I am not even associated with this group nor have I ever been to a rally. I just can't stand people who hide behind the internet to make false claims without proof. Freedom of speech does not include making up lies about a group you might disagree with. Plain and simple.

I wish I was brave like Brian.

hey brian ill tell you what I will be at the softball fields at foltz parkway between 8-9pm tonite I will have on a teamsters shirt come on up I have plenty of things to say to your face

Tom M. - What's your name?

Mac, brave enough to use my name. Not a nickname my Nana gave to me.

brian ill tell you my name at foltz park tonite ...hope you can make it ...so I can tell you what I think to your face as you asked

Did Brian show up?

no I guess he did not think anyone would call his bluff

You should learn to spell and proofread, otherwise the moron statement holds true. The fact you and your cronie friends are attacking people and organizations and claiming they promote violence is, in itself, hatred. I never used the word bigot or bigotry.

I like this guy, very direct...

whats to understand ...the FBI said your client and his friends tried to blow a bridge up with what they thought was a bomb